Gallinari vs Wesley Johnson: Wesley Johnson can be a productive starter for the Lakers.

I took 18 games last year that Wesley Johnson played more than 25 minutes per game. During that span, he averaged 33.1 minutes per game.

In those games, Phoenix win-loss record was 5-13, and Johnson averaged 14.7 points, 45.1 FG%, 36.6 3P%, 77.3 FT%, 4.2 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.6 blocks, 1.5 TO's.

In 32.5 MPG last year , Gallinari averaged 16.2 points, 41.8 FG%, 37.3 3P%, 82.2 FT%, 5.2 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.6 TO's.

In 38.5 MPG last year , Nicolas Batum averaged 14.3 points, 42.3 FG%, 37.2 3P%, 84.8 FT%, 5.6 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.1 blocks and 2.6 TO's.


Although Batum and Gallinari are two years younger, taller, have more experience as starters and probably are a tadbit more aggressive driving the ball , in the last 4 seasons, Gallinari has averaged 30 plus minutes a game and has never shot over 36.5% from the 3-Point Line. In the last 3 seasons where Batum has averaged 30 plus minutes per game, Batum's highest average points per game is 14.3. However, by almost all of our standards, they are both seen as a above average NBA starter at SF.

Also, Denver (106.1 points per game) was the highest scoring team in the league and Phoenix was 21st (95.1 points per game).  Even with Alvin Gentry, Phoenix was 9th in pace and Denver was 2nd.

Portland also has Damian Lillard, Wesley Matthews and LaMarcus Aldridge to take pressure of Batum as a player.

Denver has Andre Miller who is a much better backup point guard than whoever Phoenix had behind Dragic.

I conclude that Wesley Johnson can be just as productive as Gallinari and Batum if given the opportunity.

What do you think?

Kobe Bryant 2008-10 vs. LeBron James 2011-13 vs MJ 1990-1992 Playoff Stats

Article from Double Dribble Blog:

http://doubledribble.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/kobe-bryant-2008-10-vs-lebron-james-2011-13-playoff-stats/



Kobe Bryant 2008-10 vs. LeBron James 2011-13 Playoff Stats




Player G      MP ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS FG% 3P% FT% TS%

Kobe Bryant   22.3 40.7 0.9 5.7 5.5 1.6 0.7 3.1 29.8 0.466 0.340 0.845 0.570
LeBron James 22.3 42.8 1.8 8.8 6.0 1.8 0.9 3.2 26.6 0.486 0.336 0.758 0.575

M.Jordan*     18.3 41.5 1.4 6.6 7.0 2.4 1.0 3.2 34.1 0.513 0.364 0.849 0.587



It’s fun to compare LeBron James to Michael Jordan, but looking at the playoffs stats of Kobe’s 3 finals runs from 2008-2010 versus LeBron’s 3 finals runs from 2011-13 is a lot closer. In fact if you ignore the metrics and just look at the actual numbers, it’s very tough. Everything is extremely close except LeBron has 3 more rebounds per game and Kobe has three more points per game. Turnovers are even. Assists are nearly even. TS% is nearly even, LeBron is .005 better (or 1/2 a percentage point better).



I didn’t expect that. LeBron is touted as a pillar of efficiency, and Kobe is thought of as something of a conscienceless volume shooter, but the numbers show relatively even efficiency and production in the playoffs.



I tucked MJ’s 1990-1992 playoff numbers into the bottom there. They aren’t pace-adjusted or anything, so they can be quibbled with if you feel it necessary, but his advantages in efficiency and scoring are significant enough that I’d predict a pretty decent lead even if Kobe and Bron gained a possession in the translation (I’ve run pace adjustments for both in the past over these spans of years, and it does amount to approximately 1 extra offensive and 1 extra defense possession per game, not enough to make a major impact).



The figures in this post aren’t intended to prove anything in and of themselves. The numbers just surprised me enough that I felt like I should share them.

Lebron goes from 19 to 11 :Wade goes from 23 to 17

1) William "Bill" Russell

11 championships in 13 years.
12 NBA Final Apperances
8 Consecutive NBA Championships
5 Time NBA MVP
5 Time NBA Rebounding Champion
Blocks Were Not an Official Stat (Some Say He Would Be the Career Leader)
12 Time NBA All Star
3 Time NBA First Team (Played During Wilt Chamberlain's Time)
8 Time NBA Second Team
1 Time All NBA Defensive Team ( Awarded Started His Last Year in the League)
2nd All Time in Career Rebounds
2nd All Time in Career Rebounds Per Game with 22.45

NBA Finals MVP Trophy Named After Him
Never Played where Fans Adored him like Jordan. Didnt even Get adoration in His own City.
1957 Finals Run Down Block on Jack Coleman known as the "Coleman Play"
Russell was the first African American player to achieve superstar status in the NBA.
First African Amercan Coach in NBA History

Referees who officiated a lot of Chamberlain's and Russell's games said that both of them probably averaged at least six to eight blocks per game over their careers, which would put both of them ahead of the "official" all-time leaders by a comfortable margin

John Kundla After 1959 Finals:

“That’s quite a twist, isn’t it, having a defensive player mean the difference?” said Kundla. “We don’t fear the Celtics without Bill Russell. Take him out and we can beat them … He’s the guy who whipped us psychologically. Russell has our club worrying every second. Every one of the five men is thinking Russell is covering him on every play. He blocks a shot, and before you know it, Boston is getting a basket, and a play by Russell has done it.”

Bill Russell is known as the greatest winner in the history of team sports.

2) Michael "Air"  Jordan

6 championships
6 Time NBA Finals MVP
6-0 in NBA Finals Appearances
Two Three Peats
1 Time NBA Defensive Player of the Year
5 Time NBA MVP
11 Time NBA Scoring Champion
3 Time NBA Steals Leader
14 Time NBA All Star
10 Time NBA First Team
1 Time NBA Second Team
9 Time All NBA Defensive Team
1st All Time in Playoff Career Scoring Average with 33.45 Points
3rd All-Time in Career Points Scored in NBA History
3rd All-Time in Career Steals in NBA History
1st All- Time in Points Per Game with 30.12

63 points versus Boston 1986 Playoffs Game Winning Shot versus Craig Ehlo in 1989 Game 5 Eastern Conference First Round

Game Winning Shot Against Utah in Game 6 1998 NBA Finals

Flu Game Against Utah in Game 7 1997 NBA Finals

35 points in a Half Versus Portland in 1992 Game 1 NBA Finals

The Most Marketable, Revered and Entertaining Athlete Ever Only Rivaled By Ali in Popularity and arguably should be #1 all-time.


3) Kareem Abdul -Jabaar aka "Cap"

6 championships
2 Time NBA Finals MVP
6 Time NBA MVP
2 Time NBA Scoring Champion
10 Time NBA All Star
10 Time NBA First Team
5 Time NBA Second Team
5 Time All NBA Defensive First Team
6 Time All NBA Defensive SecondTeam
1 Time NBA Rebounding Leader
4 Time NBA Blocks Leader
NBA All-Time in Career Points Scored in NBA History

Some Say He had the Greatest Total Basketball Career Ever With Three NCAA Championships

Author of the Most Unique and Famous Move in NBA History " The Sky Hook"

The Dunk was Outlawed in College When he was  a Sophomore

In 1968, he declared his Islamic faith and joined black athletes in boycotting the Mexico City Olympics.

Kareem's crowning moment occurred in 1985, when he drove the Lakers past Boston in the NBA Finals, breaking a streak that had seen the Celtics beat the Lakers eight straight times in the Finals. Prospects were bleak after Boston won Game 1 by 34 points. But with the 38-year-old Abdul-Jabbar playing inspired ball, the Lakers stormed to a 109-102 win in Game 2, the pivotal game in the series.

Kareem was splendid, scoring 30 points and grabbing 17 rebounds. The rebound total was one less than his playoff career high, and the 30 points were 18 more than he had scored in Game 1. Kareem went on to score 36 points in a Game 5 victory and 29 in the decisive sixth game. He was awarded his second Finals MVP Award, 14 years after winning his first.

The player who created his own shot and combining his college and NBA career, he could be the best basketball player of all time.

4) Wilt Chamberlain aka "Wilt the Stilt", "The Big Dipper"

2 championships
1 Time NBA Finals MVP
4 Time NBA MVP
7 Time NBA Scoring Champion
13 Time NBA All Star
7 Time NBA First Team
3 Time NBA Second Team
2 Time All NBA Defensive First Team
11 Time NBA Rebounding Leader
Blocks Were Not an Official Stat (Some Say He Would Be the Career Leader)

3rd All-Time in Career Points Scored in NBA History
Averaged 50.4 Points and 25.4 rebounds in 1961-62 Season
All time Leader in Rebounds Per Game with 22.89
2nd All- Time in Points Per Game with 30.07
1st All Time in Career Rebounds

100 Points in a Game which is still the all time record for points scored in a game.

Chamberlain is the only player in NBA history to average at least 30 points and 20 rebounds per game in a season, a feat he accomplished nine times. He is also the only player to average at least 30 points and 20 rebounds per game over the entire course of his NBA career.

There is an Urban Legend that when he was in the NBA he picked up a Tractor Trailor and he was known as literally the strongest man in the world.

NBA Record - Most Points Per Game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62 season)
NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
NBA Record - Most 50 Point Games in a season (45 in 1961-62)
NBA Record - Most 40 Point Games in a season (63 in 1961-62)
Chamberlain holds the next most with 52 in 1962-63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986-87.
NBA Record - Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Points Per Game (7)
Record shared with Michael Jordan.

I will stop there:

Wilt Chamberlain LITERALLY has too many NBA records to list in this blog. Just know he has just about every scoring and rebounding single game, season and career record there is except for a select few.

Simply put, Wilt Chamberlain is the Most Dominant Basketball Player Ever to Play the Game

5) Ervin "Magic" Johnson

5 championships
9 NBA Finals Appearances
3 Time NBA Finals MVP
3 Time NBA MVP
4 Time NBA Assist Champion
2 Time NBA Steals Champion
12 Time NBA All Star
9 Time NBA First Team
1 Time NBA Second Team
Most Triple Doubles in NBA Playoff History with 30
Career Leader in Assist Per Game with 11.19
5 All Time in Career Assists

1987 NBA Finals Baby Hook Shot

Along With Larry Bird, Revitilized the NBA

Fought Aids and Became a Sportsman For the Disease

MVP of the Greatest All-Star Game in NBA History

In what was the most-watched college basketball game ever, Michigan State defeated Indiana State 75–64, and Johnson was voted Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four

Game 6 of the 1980 Finals Johnson recorded 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists and 3 steals in a 123-107 win, while playing all five positions. Johnson became the only rookie to win the NBA Finals MVP award, and his clutch performance is still regarded as one of the best ever.

He also became 1 of 4 players to win NCAA and NBA Championships in consecutive years.

Magic is without a doubt the Most Charismatic Player to Ever Play the Game

6) Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

5 championships
2 Time NBA Finals MVP
Three Peat
2 Time NBA MVP
2 Time NBA Scoring Champion
3 Time NBA Steals Leader
15 Time NBA All Star
11 Time NBA First Team
2 Time NBA Second Team
9 Time All NBA First Defensive Team
2 Time All NBA Second Defensive Team
3rd All-Time in Career Points Scored in NBA History
3rd All- Time on Postseason Scoring List

81 Point Game Second Highest Total Ever in a Single Game

2006-2007, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so

2006-2007, Bryant scored 50 points, making him the second player in NBA history to have 4 straight 50 point games behind Wilt Chamberlain

2006-2007, Bryant finished the year with a total of ten 50-plus point games,becoming the only player beside Wilt Chamberlain in 1961–62 and 1962–63 to do so in one season.

In February of 2010, Kobe Bryant passed Jerry West to become the franchise’s leading scorer.

Love him or Hate him, Kobe Bryant is one of the most feared clutch and most polarizing players the NBA has ever seen. He is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we will ever see. EVER!!!!

7) Tim Duncan aka "The Big Fundamental"

4 championships

5 NBA Finals Appearances
3 Time NBA Finals MVP
2 Time NBA MVP
14 Time NBA All Star
10 Time NBA First Team
3 Time NBA Second Team
1 Time NBA Third Team
8 Time All NBA First Defensive Team
6 Time All NBA Second Defensive Team
22nd All Time Scoring List
13th All Time Rebounding List
8th all Time Blocks List

Duncan is one of only four players to receive All-NBA First Team honors in each of his first eight seasons (1998–2005), along with Hall of Famers Bob Pettit (ten seasons), Larry Bird (nine seasons), and Oscar Robertson (nine seasons), and is the only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first 13 seasons (1997–98 to 2009–10).


Duncan is the best power forward to ever play the game and can possibly the most underrated player of all time.


8) Shaquille "Shaq aka Diesel aka The Big Aristole" O'Neal 

4 championships

6 NBA Finals Appearances
3 Time NBA Finals MVP
1 Time NBA MVP
15 Time NBA All Star
8 Time NBA First Team
2 Time NBA Second Team
4 Time NBA Third Team
3 Time All NBA Second Defensive Team
2  Time Scoring Champ




9) Bird

10) Jerry West

11) Hakeem


12) Lebron

13) Oscar Robertson

14) Dr. J

15) Havlicek

16) Bob Cousy

17) Dwayne Wade

18) George Mikan

19) Isiah Thomas

20) Moses Malone

21) Rick Barry

22) Elgin Baylor

23) Bob Petit

24) Elvin Hayes

25) Scottie Pippen

MY NBA TOP 25 ALL TIME

1) Russell
2) Jordan
3) Jabaar
4) Chamberlain
5) Kobe
6) Magic
7) Duncan
8) Shaq
9) Bird
10) Oscar Robertson
11) Dr. J
12) Jerry West
13) George Mikan
14) Havlicek
15) Hakeem
16) Bob Cousy
17) Moses Malone
18) Isiah Thomas
19) Lebron James
20) Elgin Baylor
21) Elvin Hayes
22) Kevin McHale
23) Dwyane Wade
24) Bob Petit
25) Rick Barry

NFL Stats

Name the QB's who has had 4,000 passing yards the last 4 seasons: Drew Brees


Name the QB's who has had 30 TD passes the last 4 seasons: Drew Brees

Name the players who has had at least 10 sacks in the last 4 seasons: Jared Allen & DeMarcus Ware

Name 3 NFL WR's who has had 1,000 yards receiving in each of the last 4 years:

Brandon Marshall, Roddy White, Colston


Name 3 NFL RB's who has had 1,000 yards rushing in each of the last 4 years:

Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Steven Jackson

NBA STATS

Name the players in the NBA to average 25 points for the last 4 seasons: Kobe, Durant, Lebron




Name the players in the NBA to average 10 rebs for the last 4 seasons: Howard, Love



Name the players in the NBA to average 10 assists for the last 4 seasons: None



Name the players in the NBA to average 2 steals for the last 4 seasons: None



Name the players in the NBA to average 2 blocks for the last 4 seasons: Howard



Name the players to shoot 40% from 3 pointers in the last 4 seasons: Curry, Korver



Name the players to shoot 90% from the Free Throw Line the Last 4 seasons: None



Name the players to shoot 55% from the Field the last 4 seasons: Howard



Name the player with at least 40 double doubles the last 4 seasons: Howard

NFL QB'S LAST FIVE YEARS

Each Players Last 5 years:




Aaron Rodgers 52-26, 66.7% W-L Regular Season, 21332 yards, 170 TD's, 45 INT's, 65.9 comp %

Drew Brees 52-27, 65.8% W-L Regular Season, 24730 yards, 190 TD's, 83 INT's, 67.5 comp %

Tom Brady 65-15, 81.3% W-L Regular Season, 23166 yards, 187 TD's, 45 INT's, 65.7 comp %

Peyton Manning 62-18, 77.5% W-L Regular Season, 21901 yards, 161 TD's, 70 INT's, 67.2 comp %

Eli Manning 48-32, 60.0% W-L Regular Season, 20142 yards, 133 TD's, 80 INT's, 61.2 comp %

Matt Ryan 56-22, 71.8% W-L Regular Season, 18957 yards, 127 TD's, 60 INT's, 62.7 comp %

Joe Flacco 54-26, 67.5% W-L Regular Season, 17633 yards, 102 TD's, 56 INT's, 60.5 comp %

Big Ben 48-23 67.6% W-L Regular Season, 18171 yards, 107 TD's, 54 INT's, 63.0 comp %

Tony Romo 48-29 62.3% W-L Regular Season, 21229 yards, 147 TD's, 71 INT's, 64.3 comp %

Proposed Blockbuster 4 Team LAKER DEAL FOR GASOL!!!!!

SALARY CAP RULES

Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. Under the 2011 CBA, teams that remain below the luxury tax threshold even after the trade can acquire the lesser of 150% plus $100,000, or 100% plus $5 million, of the salary they trade away.[5] There is no lower limit—teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish in a trade.

All teams involved are above the cap: Cap 58 million, Luxury Tax 70.3 million

Lakers get 3 players and give up 1:

Bargani 10,000,000
Ridnour 4,000,000
Derrick Williams 4,947,840

Lakers before trade 100,365,744
Lakers after trade 100,313, 584

125% + 100,000 of 19,000,000 (salary they traded away) is 23,750,000
They acquired 18,947,840
18,947,840 is less than 23,750,000. They didn’t go over that by acquiring Williams, Bargani and Ridnour.

GOOD

LOGIC: Lakers get rid of Gasol who since Mike D'Antoni arrived has been pretty much getting phased out of the Lakers plans. On top of that, Gasol has regressed and many blame him for the Lakers having to bring all of this expensive talent in so with that, the frequent year after year trade talks finally end as Gasol goes to Minnesota. Gasol wants more touches in the post and D'Antoni wants a power forward who can spread the floor. Williams and Bargnani does this perfectly for D'Antoni while still getting younger with and accomplishing the goal of better complimenting the future franchise star in Dwight Howard.

Timberwolves get 1 player and give up 6:

Gasol 19,000,000 million to Wolves

Timberwolves before trade 65,605,005
Timberwolves after trade 65,659,096

125% + 100,000 of 18,945,909 (salary they traded away) is 23,682,386
They acquired 19,000,000
19,000,000 is less than 24,000,372. They didn’t go over that by acquiring Gasol.

GOOD

LOGIC: Minnesota has coveted Pau Gasol for a while and it has been reported earlier that they were building a package around Derrick Williams and Nikola Pekovic. If they are willing to trade throw-ins Luke Ridnour or JJ Barea (I can't see why not b/c they have enough depth at PG.) who are very close in salary and Memphis does not push for Budinger instead of Martell Webster, I can't see this not working. The best thing to do it to think Vlade Divac in the final stages of his career with Rick Adelman in Sacramento. He went to Sacramento at 30 and played 7 long years there. Gasol is 32 fits that role perfectly. He gets paired with emerging superstar Kevin Love and Adelman gets the two passing big men he loves. Gasol won't give The T-Wolves the Divac flopping but he still has to skills to flourish in an offense like this for years. Also, that pairs him back-up with his Spanish National teammate Ricky Rubio.
Toronto gets 3 players and give up 3:

Rudy Gay 16,460,532 million
Bayless 3,100,000 million
Selby 762,195
Stiemsma 2,575,000 million

Toronto before trade 59,279,035
Toronto after trade 59,113,442

125% + 100,000 of 23,063,320 (salary they traded away) is 28,829,150
They acquired 22,897,727
22,897,727 is less than 28,829,150. They didn’t go over by acquiring Gay, Speights and Stiemsma

GOOD

LOGIC:  Firstly, Toronto has added C Valanciunus, PF, C Amir Johnson, C, Aaron Gray and PF,C Ed Davis all in the last few years. Does that sound like a team in love with the oft-injured Spaniard PF, C Andrea Bargnani. Well, they finally get rid of their former number #1 overall pick. From one soap opera to another, Toronto's on and off love relationship with Jose Calderon finally ends as he will probably not be retained anyway in the offseason. They don't get a superstar but they get the best player they have had since Vince Carter. Kyle Lowry and  Rudy Gay are a pretty good combination to matchup with young athletic guys like Demar Derozan who just signed an extension, Amir Johnson and Ed Davis. Also, they still bring Landry Fields, Greg Stiemsma and Bayless in as quality bench players. Some would say this is where Bayless resurrected his career so he ends up back where he wanted to be the whole time and Toronto comes out cheaper than the 4.2 million dollar offer they withdrew last summer. Lastly, they get summer league sensation Josh Selby as a throw in.

Memphis gets 6 players and give up 3:

Calderon 10,500,000 million to Memphis
Terrence Ross 2,563,320 million to Memphis
Pekovic 4,640,000 million to Memphis
Josh Howard 1,113,560 to Memphis
Martell Webster to 600,000
Louis Amundson 1,069,509

Memphis before trade 74,127,785
Memphis after trade 73,615,837

125% + 100,000 of 20,322,727(salary they traded away) is 25,403,408
They acquired 20,620,389
20,620,389 is less than 25,403,408. They didn’t go over by acquiring Calderon, Ross, Pekovic, Josh Howard, Amundson and Martel Webster

GOOD

LOGIC: Memphis has a brand-new ownership and a revamped front office. John Hollinger and Jason Levien are in, longtime personnel gurus the Barones are out, and Chris Wallace’s current level of power as holdover GM is unclear. They had an exciting 2011 playoff run without Gay and that is not far from their minds. Also, they still come out with high draft pick Terrenece Ross who fills the much needed shooting void that Memphis has been clamoring about for years. By no means does Memphis get better with this trade but they can clear some space for next year because they don't have much relief coming next off of their 74 million dollar payroll next year. Additionally, if they wanted to save this year and Minnesota is interested in not trading Howard, Webster and Amundson to eat and few more dollars and keep some more of their depth,  Memphis could save another 2.7 million dollars off of the 4 million they are over the luxury tax threshold this year. This deal is good financially for Minnesota either way.

Sports Show 31: NBA:Don't Just Make Moves to Make Moves

Listen to internet radio with Dario aka Realist on Blog Talk Radio

Cracked Top 20

1) Russell


2) Jordan

3) Jabaar

4) Chamberlain

5) Kobe

6) Magic

7) George Mikan

8) Havlicek

9) Duncan

10) Shaq

11) Bird

12) Oscar Robertson

13) Jerry West

14) Hakeem Olajuwon

15) Dr. J

16) Bob Cousy

17) Moses Malone

18) Isiah Thomas

19) Lebron James

20) Dwyane Wade



Moved out



Bob Petit

Elvin Hayes

QUARTERBACK RATING CALCULATOR

Who is the best 15 active QB's in the NFL today? Who knows? Is there a way you can figure this out? Is there an accurate way that you, I or any of us can compute this? I say yes and I also say that I done just that. That's right!!!!! The Realist has done it!!!! This is SUREFIRE!!!!! Aye......homers.......... feel me to look it over. Feel free to comment on it. This point system is based on there career achievements up until this point in their careers. The only thing that is up for debate is the playoff moments and if we remove that the only position that changes is Romo and Vick so feel free to try to check my formula. You can even feel free to openly dispute my list if necessary but I assure you one thing and one thing only:

 I think with my MIND and not my HEART so you won't find any mistakes.


Categories- Points

Rings - 10
Super Bowl MVP  - 8
Super Bowl Appearances  - 2
Playoff Moments - 8
(Game Winning Drive in Playoffs/Superbowl, Mutual Agreed Upon Moment...... Ex...Peyton Manning Beating NE in AFC Championship, Rivers Beating Indy in OT or Vick in Lambeau)
League MVP - 6
Playoff Wins  - 1
Criteria Seasons - 3
Playoffs with Criteria Season  - 6
Pro Bowls  - 1
NFL Passing Records – 1


Criteria Seasons

3700 or more yards, 62 Comp%, 26 or more TD's, 16 or less INT's (Add one int for each touchdown until you get to 20 then it is not considered a CS. Ex. -29 TD and 19 INT’s is still a CS. 30 and 20 is not.) Criteria Seasons w/playoffs (same stats but team makes playoffs)

* Note - Criteria seasons adjusted based on the era you played in. It is done by author discretion.
ALL PLAYERS

Montana – playoff wins (17-7), 3 Super Bowl MVP’s( 24 ), 4 Rings (40), 1 league MVP (6), 4 playoff moments (32), 6 passing records (6), 8 probowls (8), 4 super bowl appearances (8), 6 criteria season w/playoffs (36) – 177

Tom Brady - 3 rings (30), 2 Super Bowl MVP(16), 5 SB appearances(10), 2 playoff moments(16), 2 league MVP'S(12), playoff wins (17-7)(17) , 7 criteria seasons; 7 criteria seasons w/playoffs(42), 8 pro bowls(8), 20 passing records(20) - 171

Peyton Manning - 1 ring (10), 1 Super Bowl MVP(8), 2 appearances(4), 1 playoff moment(8), 4 league MVP'S(24) , playoff wins (9-11)(9), 11 criteria seasons; 11 criteria seasons w/playoffs(66), 11 pro bowls(11), 27 passing records(27) - 167
Favre – 1 Ring (10), 2 SB Appearances (4), 6 criteria seasons w  playoffs (36), 11 time probowler (11), 3 time league MVP ( 18),  playoff wins (13-11), 2 playoff moments (16), 7 passing records – 125

Elway – playoff wins (14-7), 1 Super Bowl MVP (8), 2 Rings (20), 1 league MVP (6), 4 playoff moments (32) , 5 Super bowl Appearances  (10), 9 probowls (9), 4 criteria seasons, 2 w/playoffs (18), pasing  records 5 - 122

Drew Brees - 1 ring (10), 1 Super Bowl MVP (8), 1 appearance (2), 1 playoff moment (8), playoff wins (5-4)(5), 6 criteria seasons; 4 criteria seasons w/playoffs(30) , 7 pro bowls(7), 38 passing records (38) - 108

Marino- 5 criteria seasons w/playoffs (30), 1 league mvp (6), 14 passing records (14), playoffs wins (8-9), 4 playoff moments (32) ,  SB appearances(2) - 93

Aaron Rodgers - 1 ring (10), 1 Super Bowl MVP(8), 1 appearance(2), 1 playoff moment (8), 1 league MVP(6), playoff wins (5-2)(5) , 5 criteria seasons; 4 criteria seasons w/playoffs (27), 2 pro bowls (2), 16 passing records(16) - 84

Troy Aikman - 3 ring (30), 1 Super Bowl MVP (8), 3 appearances (6), 2 playoff moment (16), playoff wins (11-4)(5), 1 criteria season w/playoffs(6) , 6 pro bowls(6), 1 passing record  - 84

 Eli Manning - 2 ring (20), 2 Super Bowl MVP(16), 2 appearance (4), 2 Playoff Moment(16), playoff wins (8-3), 2 criteria season, 1 criteria season w/playoffs (9), 2 pro bowls(2) = 75

Ben Roethlisberger - 2 rings(20), 3 appearances(6), 1 Playoff Moment(8), 2 criteria season; 1 criteria season w/playoffs(9), playoff wins (10-4), 2 pro bowls(2), 1 passing record (1) = 56

Joe Theisman – playoff wins (6-2), 1 Rings (10), 1 league MVP (6), 2 playoff moments (16) , 1 Super bowl Appearances  (2), 2 probowls (2), 1 criteria seasons w/playoffs (6) - 48

Joe Flacco-  1 Ring (10), 1 Super Bowl MVP (8), 1 appearance(2), 1 Playoff Moment (8),  playoff wins (9-4) – 37

 Matt Ryan - 1 playoff moment (8), playoff wins (1-4),  3 criteria season, 3 criteria season w/playoffs (18), 2 pro bowl(2) = 29

Philip Rivers -  1 playoff Moment(8), playoff wins (3-4), 3 criteria seasons & 2 criteria seasons w/playoffs (12), 4 pro bowls(4) = 27

 Michael Vick - 1 playoff Moment(8), playoff wins (2-4), 1 criteria season w/playoffs(6), 4 pro bowls(4), 3 passing records (Using 3 of His Rushing Records) = 23

Tony Romo - playoff win (1-3), 3 criteria season; 2 criteria season w/playoffs (15), 3 pro bowls (3) = 19

 Matt Hasselbeck - 1 criteria season,1 Super Bowl Appearance(2) 1 criteria sason w/ playoffs(6), 5 playoff wins (5-6), 3 pro bowls(3) = 16

 Carson Palmer - 2 criteria season, 1 criteria season w/playoffs(9), 2 pro bowls(2) = 11

 Matthew Stafford - 1 criteria season w/playoffs(6) = 6
Tied 13)  RG3 - 1 criteria season based on running and passing w/playoffs (6)

 Matt Schaub - 1 criteria season (3), 1 pro bowl (1), Playoff Win (1-0) - 5 

 Mark Sanchez - 4 playoff wins (4-2) - 4 

 Cam Newton – playoff wins (0-0), 1 criteria season based on running and passing, one record based on QB td rushing record – 4

What is the Verdict on Mike Vick?

Last night against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Michael Vick looked horrible. He made poor decisions playing the entire first half and ended up 5-12, 47 yards with 3 interceptions and a quarterback rating of  a whooping 13.5. Look, I am glad he is back in the NFL but now that he is back in the NFL, I can stop defending his criminal actions simply because he is a black and I more often than not believe in second chances. I wanted him to get another chance and he has gotten it but now it's football time and the football reality is he never was a great passer and one year was not enough to convince me. Great quarterbacks have to consistently work hard every year and push for greatness to be consistently great every year. Drew Brees feel off in the interception category last year. Who knows why but did him becoming a true NFL star after the Saints won the super bowl play a part in that? I am a firm believer that distractions from the outside can disrupt the concentration of the best of them and that is why I predicted that the Saints would not win the Superbowl last year. The truth about last year was that Vick was getting praised all year last year and for good reason. He played well and his comeback story was a great story no matter how you look at it but now it will go back to normal…........

Now he has the regular media attention with just being a starting Quarterback in the NFL, the attention for just being Michael Vick, plus all the attention from the moves the Eagles made in the offseason and let's not forget THE GREAT Vince Young who never consistently showed a clear path or progression to becoming great saying "The Eagles Are A Dream Team".

Okay, I agree that I am persecuting fast but this is my "Lebron Reaction" to people putting him on a pedestal so fast. The first thing we have to remember is that Vick has always been an exciting football player first before anything else. he makes spectacular plays but that does not necessarily translate into consistent great QB play and most importantly, that does not translate into consistent team success. If you look at his passing numbers in Atlanta, they were not even average QB good. For the sake of argument, let's combine his passing numbers with his running numbers. Also, it's only fair to include his interceptions with his fumbles lost to come up with a stat for his total turnovers considering I am factoring his running numbers in for his total yards and total touchdowns.

2002 3713 yards 24 TD's 17 TO's 8-6-1 playoffs, lost in 2nd Round
2003 injured
2004 3215 yards 17 TD's 28 TO's 11-4 playoffs, lost in 2nd Round
2005 3009 yards 21 TD's 24 TO's, 8-7 no playoffs
2006 3513 yards 22 TD,s 22 TO's, 7-9 no playoffs
2007-2008 jail
2009 bench in Philadelphia
2010 3694 yards, 30 TD's, 17 TO's, 8-3 playoffs, lost in 1st round

In his best season in Atlanta, if you combine his rushing numbers with his passing numbers, the fact is that he is not an elite quarterback. Some people may tell you a different story but I say in terms of statistics combined with overall team success, Vick has done it one, maybe two years so stop it, " He is not elite!!!!" Not only that but you also have to consider that Vick did not play 4 games because of injury last year so everyone knows that with his style of play, he has a higher possibility to get hurt. Consequently whether fair or not, you have to factor his higher probability of injury in your evaluation.

Now, since I think I established that Vick has never been elite, my final judgement on last night is that you can't look at Vick and say "that's just preseason". Matt Schaub is not considered elite, or Eli Manning or Jay Cutler or Joe Flacco and I am sure if they had a game like that we would all be saying, "Wow, Eli had a bad game........ the Giants first team look poo." We have to remember that Vick is not Brees, Brady, Rivers, Manning and even Rodgers so we can't say the infamous "he had a bad preseason game". those quarterbacks I mentioned above have either won a Superbowl or they have been consistent for at least 3 years so honesty, they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Vick doesn't. I am not saying Vick won't become elite but he is not there now so is totally reasonable to be concerned if Vick plays pitiful which he did last night.

In addition to that, if we stop and think further, you just have to be convinced  beyond a shadow of a doubt that every defensive coordinator in the league was studying film on Vick all offseason. They will adjust so there is no sneaking up on anyone this year. The question is does Vick have the same fire, work ethic he had last year when he admitted himself that he did not before when he was in Atlanta? Bad habits are hard to break and good habits are not easy to maintain. He has his 15 million dollar contract, he is a star again, he has controversial articles in GQ and he has a dream team according to the GREAT Vince Young so the pressure to win is at an all time high. Why should I automatically believe that he has turned the corner when he has never shown it consistently before as an elite quarterback or an elite hard worker?...I don't know the answer but this season will go a long way in telling the tale.

One day you can be the hero of the sports world and the next day you might get criticized so much you can't even bare to stand it. I guess that is life as a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Level 3 People

Clyde Drexler (19)

Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA  in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs

10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more

Rick Barry

Rick Barry

NBA Champion (1975)
ABA Champion (1969)
NBA Finals MVP (1975)
8 time NBA all-star
4 time ABA all-star
5 time all NBA first team
Led team to 2 NBA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1967,1975)
Lead team to 2 ABA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1969,1972)
Led NBA in Scoring (1967)
Career leader in point per game in the ABA
Led NBA in Steals (1975)
Led NBA in Free Throw % 6 times
Led ABA in Free Throw % 2 times
Led NBA in Free Throw % 3 consecutive years
Leads ABA in all time free throw percentage
All NBA 1st team 5 times
All ABA 1st team 4 times
Average 20 points or more 12 times
Average 20 points or more 12 consecutive seasons
Average 25 points or more 8 times
Average 25 points or more 6 consecutive seasons
Average 30 points or more 4 times
Average 30 points or more 2 consecutive seasons
Average 35 points or more 1 time
2nd all time ABA career playoff 3pt %
5th all time ABA career free throw %
6th all time playoff points per game NBA/ABA totals

Level 2 PEOPLE

Bob Petit (28)


1 NBA championship (1958)
NBA League MVP's (2)
10 time ALL NBA first team
11 time NBA All-Star
lead NBA in rebounds (1)
lead NBA in points(2)
3rd all time NBA in rebounds per game
3rd all time NBA/ABA in rebounds per game
4th rebounds NBA per game in playoffs
4th rebounds NBA/ABA per game in playoffs
7th all time in points per game
11 times 20 points or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more
7 times 25 points or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more
1 time 30 points or more
11 times 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 10 rebs or more
8 times 20 points or more and 15 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 20 points or more and 20 rebs or more
1 time 25 points or more and 20 rebs or more


Elvin Hayes (24)

12 time all star
1 time NBA champion (1978)
All NBA first team 3 times
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (1975,1979)
Went to three NBA Finals (1975, 1978, 1979)
Led the league in rebounding (1970, 1974)
Led the league in scoring (1969)
Average 20 points or more 10 times
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points or more 4 times
Average 25 points or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 10 times
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 15 rebounds or more 3 times
4th all time in NBA career rebounds
6th all time in NBA/ABA career rebounds
8th all time in NBA career points
10th all time in NBA/ABA career points

Clyde Drexler (19)


Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Time NBA Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more


Dwayne Wade (14)

7 time all star
1 time NBA champion (2006)
1 time Finals MVP (2006)
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (2006)
Went to two NBA Finals (2006, 2011)
Led the league in scoring (2009)
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points 5 rebs 5 assists 1 time
Average 30 points 5 rebs 5 assist 1 time
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game in the playoffs
9th all time NBA points per game in the playoffs
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game
9th all time NBA points per game

Criteria For LEVELS

Alright dog, what is level one? Let’s put certain numbers on it….What person is the standard for Level 1? Karl Malone, Barkley, Dirk and Iverson….Is that the people who we think of as level one players?

All Star Games – 7 or more

3 or more 1st team all NBA
6 or more 2nd team all NBA
3 or more 1st team all defensive
6 or more 2nd team all defensive
1 or more Defensive player of the year
20 point seasons – 8 or more
5 Consecutive 20 points seasons
25 point seasons – 3 or more
2 consecutive 25 point seasons
Double/ Double Seasons – 6 or more
Consecutive Double/Double Seasons 3 or more
League MVP’s – 1-3 or more
Consecutive League MVP's - 1 or more
Led League in a Category – 1 or more
Consecutively Led League in Category – 3 or more
Championships – 1-3 or more
Consecutive Championships
20 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons – 4 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
25 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons- 2 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
30 point scoring average seasons – 3 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
Finals MVP’s – 1-2
Led Team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs/regular season
Top 10 all time in a category (points, rebs, assists, steals, blocks 3's, blocks, points/assists/steals/blocks/threes per game in regular season/playoffs)
7 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
6 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
3 years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
2 consecutive years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
50 Players
Had to Appear in at least one finals


We need the level one players to qualify for like 6 or seven of these things….Is there anything else we can add to this?



Level 1:

James Worthy
Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Malone
Dirk
Lebron
Barkley
Drexler
Stockton
Iverson
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Patrick Ewing
Wes Unseld
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Dwight Howard
Chauncey Billups
Ginoboli
Parker
David Robinson
George McGinnis
Connie Hawkins
Artis Gilmore
Jamal Wilkes
Nate Archibald
Billy Cunningham
Elgin Baylor
Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Bob McAdoo
Hal Greer
Kevin Garnett
Pierce





Level 2:

Dwayne Wade
Elvin Hayes
Rick Barry
Dennis Johnson
Clyde Frazier
Earl Monroe
Willis Reed
Dave Cowens



Level 3

Bob Petit
Isiah Thomas
Moses Malone
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen

Level 4

Larry Bird
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Bob Cousy
Sam Jones
Bill Sharman
Tom Heinsohn



Level 5

George Mikan
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt Chamberlain

Level 6

Havlicek
Kareem
Jordan
Russell

LEVEL 1 PEOPLE

Okay, Look at these 5 people.......They all got at least seven of the qualifications. We can weed out the poo people this way. So, do you want to go with 7 of the qualifications or 6?



Karl Malone (24)

14 time all-star
11 time nba first team
3 time all nba first team defense
2nd all time NBA leader in points
2nd all time NBA/ABA leader in points
17 years of 20 points or more
12 years of 25 points or more
1 year of 30 points or more
10 years of 20 points and 10 rebs
9 consecutive years of 20 points and 10 rebs
9 years of 25 points and 10 rebs
8 consecutive years of 25 points and 10 rebs
league MVP (1997,1999) (2)
Lead team to finals as leading scorer (1997,1998) (2)
Been to finals(1997,1998,2004) (3)
6th all time in total playoff rebounds per game
12 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
7 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
11 years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
6 consecutive years of 25 points or more and 50% from field


Lebron James (22)

7 time all-star
5 time nba first team
3 time all nba first team defense
8 years of 20 points or more
7 years of 25 points or more
Average 20 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists 8 years
Average 20 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists 8 consecutive years
Average 25 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists 7 years
Average 25 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists 7 consecutive years
Average 30 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists 2 years
league MVP (2) (2009,2010)
Lead team to finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (2) (2007,2011)
Been to finals(2)  (2007, 2011)
Lead NBA in scoring 1 time (2007-2008)
3rd all-time NBA in points per game
3rd all-time NBA/ABA points per game
5th all-time points per game NBA in playoffs
5th all-time points per game NBA/ABA in playoffs
2 years of 30 points or more

Charles Barkley (16)

11 time all-star
5 time nba first team
11 years of 20 points or more
5 years of 25 points or more
11 years of 20 points and 10 rebs
11 consecutive years of 20 points and 10 rebounds
5 years of 25 points and 10 rebs
4 consecutive years of 25 points and 10 rebs
1 league MVP
Lead 1 team to the finals as leading scorer (1993)
1 year of 25 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists
1 year of 20 points, 5 rebs, 5 assists
9 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
8 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
5 years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
4 consecutive years of 25 points or more and 50% from field

Allen Iverson (13)

11 time all-star
3 time nba first team
14 years of 20 points or more
11 years of 25 points or more
5 years of 30 points or more
1 leage MVP
Lead 1 team to Finals as leading scorer in regular season & playoffs (2000)
Lead NBA in scoring 4 times
Lead NBA in scoring in consecutive years
Lead NBA in steals
Led NBA in steals 3 consecutive years
6 all time playoff points per game
7 all time playoff steals per game


Patrick Ewing (10)


11 time all-star
7th all time leader in blocks
13 years of 20 points or more
9 years of 20 points and 10 rebs
9 consecutive years of 20 points and 10 rebs
Lead team to finals as leading scorer in regular season & playoffs (1994)
Been to finals(2)(1994, 1999)
9 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
7 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field


Paul Pierce (10)

9 time all-star
8 years of 20 points or more
7 consecutive 20 points seasons
Lead team to finals as leading scorer in regular season & playoffs (2010)
Been to finals(2008, 2010)(2)
1 championship
1 Finals MVP
3 consecutive seasons of 25 points or more
9th all time in career 3 pt made

Ray Allen (9)

10 years of 20 points or more
10 consecutive 20 point season
Been to finals(2008, 2010)(2)
1st all time in career 3 pt made
2nd all time in career playoff 3 pt made
10 time all-star
7th all time in playoff free throw percentage
led the league in 3 pt made 3 times
 
Dirk Nowitski (9)

10 time all-star
4 time nba first team
11 years of 20 points or more
5 years of 25 points or more
1 league MVP
Lead team to finals as leading scorer (2)
9th all-time in points per game in the playoffs
10th all time in playoff free throw percentage

Greatest Basketball Players Ever List

1) Russell
2) Jordan
3) Jabaar
4) Chamberlain
5) Magic/Kobe
6) George Mikan/Havlicek
9) Duncan/Shaq
10) Bird / Dr. J
12) Oscar Robertson (just flipped flop him and West. He averaged a triple double but Kareem carried him in the finals but I think he was better)
13) Jerry West (Wilt Chamberlain won Finals MVP in 1972 which is West only championship. He won 1969 Finals MVP but they lost)
14) Bob Cousy (maybe should be higher but who will I take down?)
15) Hakeem Olajuwon/Moses Malone







Reason why Havlicek is on there and not Pippen just in case you were about to say something, Havlicek has that signature moment with







Greer is putting the ball in play. He gets it out deep and Havlicek steals it! Over to Sam Jones! Havlicek stole the ball! It's all over...It's all over! Johnny Havlicek is being mobbed by the fans! It's all over! Johnny Havlicek stole the ball!"







Let me tell you what’s funny about that signature moment though. That was in the 1965 Eastern Conference Finals. LOL!!!!! How many times have you seen that play? 1 million.







Still though, Pippen does not even have anything like that though.