Last night against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Michael Vick looked horrible. He made poor decisions playing the entire first half and ended up 5-12, 47 yards with 3 interceptions and a quarterback rating of a whooping 13.5. Look, I am glad he is back in the NFL but now that he is back in the NFL, I can stop defending his criminal actions simply because he is a black and I more often than not believe in second chances. I wanted him to get another chance and he has gotten it but now it's football time and the football reality is he never was a great passer and one year was not enough to convince me. Great quarterbacks have to consistently work hard every year and push for greatness to be consistently great every year. Drew Brees feel off in the interception category last year. Who knows why but did him becoming a true NFL star after the Saints won the super bowl play a part in that? I am a firm believer that distractions from the outside can disrupt the concentration of the best of them and that is why I predicted that the Saints would not win the Superbowl last year. The truth about last year was that Vick was getting praised all year last year and for good reason. He played well and his comeback story was a great story no matter how you look at it but now it will go back to normal…........
Now he has the regular media attention with just being a starting Quarterback in the NFL, the attention for just being Michael Vick, plus all the attention from the moves the Eagles made in the offseason and let's not forget THE GREAT Vince Young who never consistently showed a clear path or progression to becoming great saying "The Eagles Are A Dream Team".
Okay, I agree that I am persecuting fast but this is my "Lebron Reaction" to people putting him on a pedestal so fast. The first thing we have to remember is that Vick has always been an exciting football player first before anything else. he makes spectacular plays but that does not necessarily translate into consistent great QB play and most importantly, that does not translate into consistent team success. If you look at his passing numbers in Atlanta, they were not even average QB good. For the sake of argument, let's combine his passing numbers with his running numbers. Also, it's only fair to include his interceptions with his fumbles lost to come up with a stat for his total turnovers considering I am factoring his running numbers in for his total yards and total touchdowns.
2002 3713 yards 24 TD's 17 TO's 8-6-1 playoffs, lost in 2nd Round
2003 injured
2004 3215 yards 17 TD's 28 TO's 11-4 playoffs, lost in 2nd Round
2005 3009 yards 21 TD's 24 TO's, 8-7 no playoffs
2006 3513 yards 22 TD,s 22 TO's, 7-9 no playoffs
2007-2008 jail
2009 bench in Philadelphia
2010 3694 yards, 30 TD's, 17 TO's, 8-3 playoffs, lost in 1st round
In his best season in Atlanta, if you combine his rushing numbers with his passing numbers, the fact is that he is not an elite quarterback. Some people may tell you a different story but I say in terms of statistics combined with overall team success, Vick has done it one, maybe two years so stop it, " He is not elite!!!!" Not only that but you also have to consider that Vick did not play 4 games because of injury last year so everyone knows that with his style of play, he has a higher possibility to get hurt. Consequently whether fair or not, you have to factor his higher probability of injury in your evaluation.
Now, since I think I established that Vick has never been elite, my final judgement on last night is that you can't look at Vick and say "that's just preseason". Matt Schaub is not considered elite, or Eli Manning or Jay Cutler or Joe Flacco and I am sure if they had a game like that we would all be saying, "Wow, Eli had a bad game........ the Giants first team look poo." We have to remember that Vick is not Brees, Brady, Rivers, Manning and even Rodgers so we can't say the infamous "he had a bad preseason game". those quarterbacks I mentioned above have either won a Superbowl or they have been consistent for at least 3 years so honesty, they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Vick doesn't. I am not saying Vick won't become elite but he is not there now so is totally reasonable to be concerned if Vick plays pitiful which he did last night.
In addition to that, if we stop and think further, you just have to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that every defensive coordinator in the league was studying film on Vick all offseason. They will adjust so there is no sneaking up on anyone this year. The question is does Vick have the same fire, work ethic he had last year when he admitted himself that he did not before when he was in Atlanta? Bad habits are hard to break and good habits are not easy to maintain. He has his 15 million dollar contract, he is a star again, he has controversial articles in GQ and he has a dream team according to the GREAT Vince Young so the pressure to win is at an all time high. Why should I automatically believe that he has turned the corner when he has never shown it consistently before as an elite quarterback or an elite hard worker?...I don't know the answer but this season will go a long way in telling the tale.
One day you can be the hero of the sports world and the next day you might get criticized so much you can't even bare to stand it. I guess that is life as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Friday, August 19, 2011
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Thursday, June 9, 2011
Level 3 People
Clyde Drexler (19)
Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more
Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more
Tuesday, June 7, 2011
Rick Barry
Rick Barry
NBA Champion (1975)
ABA Champion (1969)
NBA Finals MVP (1975)
8 time NBA all-star
4 time ABA all-star
5 time all NBA first team
Led team to 2 NBA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1967,1975)
Lead team to 2 ABA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1969,1972)
Led NBA in Scoring (1967)
Career leader in point per game in the ABA
Led NBA in Steals (1975)
Led NBA in Free Throw % 6 times
Led ABA in Free Throw % 2 times
Led NBA in Free Throw % 3 consecutive years
Leads ABA in all time free throw percentage
All NBA 1st team 5 times
All ABA 1st team 4 times
Average 20 points or more 12 times
Average 20 points or more 12 consecutive seasons
Average 25 points or more 8 times
Average 25 points or more 6 consecutive seasons
Average 30 points or more 4 times
Average 30 points or more 2 consecutive seasons
Average 35 points or more 1 time
2nd all time ABA career playoff 3pt %
5th all time ABA career free throw %
6th all time playoff points per game NBA/ABA totals
NBA Champion (1975)
ABA Champion (1969)
NBA Finals MVP (1975)
8 time NBA all-star
4 time ABA all-star
5 time all NBA first team
Led team to 2 NBA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1967,1975)
Lead team to 2 ABA Finals as leading scorer in playoffs and regular season (1969,1972)
Led NBA in Scoring (1967)
Career leader in point per game in the ABA
Led NBA in Steals (1975)
Led NBA in Free Throw % 6 times
Led ABA in Free Throw % 2 times
Led NBA in Free Throw % 3 consecutive years
Leads ABA in all time free throw percentage
All NBA 1st team 5 times
All ABA 1st team 4 times
Average 20 points or more 12 times
Average 20 points or more 12 consecutive seasons
Average 25 points or more 8 times
Average 25 points or more 6 consecutive seasons
Average 30 points or more 4 times
Average 30 points or more 2 consecutive seasons
Average 35 points or more 1 time
2nd all time ABA career playoff 3pt %
5th all time ABA career free throw %
6th all time playoff points per game NBA/ABA totals
Monday, June 6, 2011
Level 2 PEOPLE
Bob Petit (28)
1 NBA championship (1958)
NBA League MVP's (2)
10 time ALL NBA first team
11 time NBA All-Star
lead NBA in rebounds (1)
lead NBA in points(2)
3rd all time NBA in rebounds per game
3rd all time NBA/ABA in rebounds per game
4th rebounds NBA per game in playoffs
4th rebounds NBA/ABA per game in playoffs
7th all time in points per game
11 times 20 points or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more
7 times 25 points or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more
1 time 30 points or more
11 times 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 10 rebs or more
8 times 20 points or more and 15 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 20 points or more and 20 rebs or more
1 time 25 points or more and 20 rebs or more
Elvin Hayes (24)
12 time all star
1 time NBA champion (1978)
All NBA first team 3 times
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (1975,1979)
Went to three NBA Finals (1975, 1978, 1979)
Led the league in rebounding (1970, 1974)
Led the league in scoring (1969)
Average 20 points or more 10 times
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points or more 4 times
Average 25 points or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 10 times
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 15 rebounds or more 3 times
4th all time in NBA career rebounds
6th all time in NBA/ABA career rebounds
8th all time in NBA career points
10th all time in NBA/ABA career points
Clyde Drexler (19)
Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Time NBA Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more
Dwayne Wade (14)
7 time all star
1 time NBA champion (2006)
1 time Finals MVP (2006)
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (2006)
Went to two NBA Finals (2006, 2011)
Led the league in scoring (2009)
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points 5 rebs 5 assists 1 time
Average 30 points 5 rebs 5 assist 1 time
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game in the playoffs
9th all time NBA points per game in the playoffs
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game
9th all time NBA points per game
1 NBA championship (1958)
NBA League MVP's (2)
10 time ALL NBA first team
11 time NBA All-Star
lead NBA in rebounds (1)
lead NBA in points(2)
3rd all time NBA in rebounds per game
3rd all time NBA/ABA in rebounds per game
4th rebounds NBA per game in playoffs
4th rebounds NBA/ABA per game in playoffs
7th all time in points per game
11 times 20 points or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more
7 times 25 points or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more
1 time 30 points or more
11 times 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
11 consecutive years 20 points or more and 10 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
6 consecutive times 25 points or more and 10 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 10 rebs or more
8 times 20 points or more and 15 rebs or more
7 times 25 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 30 points or more and 15 rebs or more
1 time 20 points or more and 20 rebs or more
1 time 25 points or more and 20 rebs or more
Elvin Hayes (24)
12 time all star
1 time NBA champion (1978)
All NBA first team 3 times
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (1975,1979)
Went to three NBA Finals (1975, 1978, 1979)
Led the league in rebounding (1970, 1974)
Led the league in scoring (1969)
Average 20 points or more 10 times
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points or more 4 times
Average 25 points or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 10 times
Average 20 points and 10 rebs or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 times
Average 25 points and 10 rebs or more 4 consecutive seasons
Average 15 rebounds or more 3 times
4th all time in NBA career rebounds
6th all time in NBA/ABA career rebounds
8th all time in NBA career points
10th all time in NBA/ABA career points
Clyde Drexler (19)
Led team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs & regular season (1990,1992) (2)
Been to Finals (1990,1992,1995)(3)
1 Time NBA Championship (1995)
10 time all-star
8th all-time NBA in steals
9th all-time NBA/ABA steals
9th all time NBA steals per game
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game
9th all time NBA steals per game in playoffs
10th all-time NBA/ABA in steals per game playoffs
8th all time NBA steals in playoffs
9th all time NBA/ABA steals in playoffs
9 time average 20 points or more
6 consecuitve times average 20 points or more
3 times average 25 points or more
2 consecutive times average 25 points or more
Dwayne Wade (14)
7 time all star
1 time NBA champion (2006)
1 time Finals MVP (2006)
Led team to NBA Finals as leading scorer in regular season and playoffs (2006)
Went to two NBA Finals (2006, 2011)
Led the league in scoring (2009)
Average 20 points or more 7 consecutive times
Average 25 points 5 rebs 5 assists 1 time
Average 30 points 5 rebs 5 assist 1 time
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game in the playoffs
9th all time NBA points per game in the playoffs
10th all time NBA/ABA points per game
9th all time NBA points per game
Thursday, June 2, 2011
Criteria For LEVELS
Alright dog, what is level one? Let’s put certain numbers on it….What person is the standard for Level 1? Karl Malone, Barkley, Dirk and Iverson….Is that the people who we think of as level one players?
All Star Games – 7 or more
3 or more 1st team all NBA
6 or more 2nd team all NBA
3 or more 1st team all defensive
6 or more 2nd team all defensive
1 or more Defensive player of the year
20 point seasons – 8 or more
5 Consecutive 20 points seasons
25 point seasons – 3 or more
2 consecutive 25 point seasons
Double/ Double Seasons – 6 or more
Consecutive Double/Double Seasons 3 or more
League MVP’s – 1-3 or more
Consecutive League MVP's - 1 or more
Led League in a Category – 1 or more
Consecutively Led League in Category – 3 or more
Championships – 1-3 or more
Consecutive Championships
20 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons – 4 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
25 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons- 2 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
30 point scoring average seasons – 3 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
Finals MVP’s – 1-2
Led Team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs/regular season
Top 10 all time in a category (points, rebs, assists, steals, blocks 3's, blocks, points/assists/steals/blocks/threes per game in regular season/playoffs)
7 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
6 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
3 years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
2 consecutive years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
50 Players
Had to Appear in at least one finals
We need the level one players to qualify for like 6 or seven of these things….Is there anything else we can add to this?
Level 1:
James Worthy
Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Malone
Dirk
Lebron
Barkley
Drexler
Stockton
Iverson
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Patrick Ewing
Wes Unseld
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Dwight Howard
Chauncey Billups
Ginoboli
Parker
David Robinson
George McGinnis
Connie Hawkins
Artis Gilmore
Jamal Wilkes
Nate Archibald
Billy Cunningham
Elgin Baylor
Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Bob McAdoo
Hal Greer
Kevin Garnett
Pierce
Level 2:
Dwayne Wade
Elvin Hayes
Rick Barry
Dennis Johnson
Clyde Frazier
Earl Monroe
Willis Reed
Dave Cowens
Level 3
Bob Petit
Isiah Thomas
Moses Malone
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Level 4
Larry Bird
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Bob Cousy
Sam Jones
Bill Sharman
Tom Heinsohn
Level 5
George Mikan
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt Chamberlain
Level 6
Havlicek
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
All Star Games – 7 or more
3 or more 1st team all NBA
6 or more 2nd team all NBA
3 or more 1st team all defensive
6 or more 2nd team all defensive
1 or more Defensive player of the year
20 point seasons – 8 or more
5 Consecutive 20 points seasons
25 point seasons – 3 or more
2 consecutive 25 point seasons
Double/ Double Seasons – 6 or more
Consecutive Double/Double Seasons 3 or more
League MVP’s – 1-3 or more
Consecutive League MVP's - 1 or more
Led League in a Category – 1 or more
Consecutively Led League in Category – 3 or more
Championships – 1-3 or more
Consecutive Championships
20 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons – 4 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
25 point, 5 reb, 5 assists seasons- 2 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
30 point scoring average seasons – 3 or more
Consecutive - 2 or more
Finals MVP’s – 1-2
Led Team to Finals as leading scorer in playoffs/regular season
Top 10 all time in a category (points, rebs, assists, steals, blocks 3's, blocks, points/assists/steals/blocks/threes per game in regular season/playoffs)
7 years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
6 consecutive years of 20 points or more and 50% from field
3 years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
2 consecutive years of 25 points or more and 50% from field
50 Players
Had to Appear in at least one finals
We need the level one players to qualify for like 6 or seven of these things….Is there anything else we can add to this?
Level 1:
James Worthy
Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Malone
Dirk
Lebron
Barkley
Drexler
Stockton
Iverson
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Patrick Ewing
Wes Unseld
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Dwight Howard
Chauncey Billups
Ginoboli
Parker
David Robinson
George McGinnis
Connie Hawkins
Artis Gilmore
Jamal Wilkes
Nate Archibald
Billy Cunningham
Elgin Baylor
Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Bob McAdoo
Hal Greer
Kevin Garnett
Pierce
Level 2:
Dwayne Wade
Elvin Hayes
Rick Barry
Dennis Johnson
Clyde Frazier
Earl Monroe
Willis Reed
Dave Cowens
Level 3
Bob Petit
Isiah Thomas
Moses Malone
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Level 4
Larry Bird
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Bob Cousy
Sam Jones
Bill Sharman
Tom Heinsohn
Level 5
George Mikan
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt Chamberlain
Level 6
Havlicek
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
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